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greeting citizens and welcome to unknown

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I'm Jason McClellan I'm here with Shane

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herd thanks so much for hanging out with

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us

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unidentified inside America's UFO

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investigation that new UFO show on

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history brought to us by Tom DeLonge and

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his team of military government and

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aerospace insiders at to the stars

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Academy aired its fourth episode on

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Friday June 21st we were all a bit busy

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at alien Con last weekend so we didn't

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get a chance to recap that episode we'll

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take care of that today and yes the

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fifth episode aired on Friday June 28th

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but we won't discuss that one on this

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episode because we're actually recording

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this before that episode airs so we'll

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cover that one on a future episode of

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unknown before we get to our discussion

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about Episode four however we're gonna

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tell you about our experience at alien

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con whoo alien con los angeles took

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place June 21st through the 23rd at the

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Los Angeles Convention Center in

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downtown Los Angeles California

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Ryan Sprague and I presented and

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participated in a wide range of

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programming at alien con la my wonderful

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friends and colleagues Shane Hurd and

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Maureen Elsberry were there all weekend

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as well and we actually all recorded an

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episode of unknown live on stage daily

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and con will have that episode ready for

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your ears soon Shane this was your first

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alien con wasn't it yeah it was what did

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you think well I thought it was awesome

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they they I thought it was well

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coordinated well managed the facility

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was great you know it was it was

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different than a UFO conference and that

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you know they had like 15 stages or

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rooms going it and he get in dive in you

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can choose yeah so that was a little

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different but you know that was cool on

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you know got to see a lot of people and

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you know some good information there was

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actually a lot of UFO information I was

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surprised a little bit by how much of

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that but and then of course you know the

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ancient aliens things and we even got to

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see William Shatner which was pretty

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cool yes

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so yeah for for people who don't know

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anything Khan is put on by the people

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who do ancient

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it's essentially an ancient aliens fan

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fest' so it has a big presence there all

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the ancient aliens people are there and

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you know they do big things on the main

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stage all weekend long and they have

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photo ops and autographs and all that

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stuff but yes in just the past couple of

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these that they've done they've really

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expanded their programming like you said

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Shane and and really offer a whole lot

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of UFO related programming and they pull

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people in like us to you know give

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lectures to participate on panels

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something that Ryan and I did was lead

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an experience or session to let people

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come in and share their experiences

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because something we point we've pointed

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out before that we'd really love about

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this type of event is it's a pop culture

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event and a lot of the people who come

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here come to come to events like alien

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con haven't really ever talked about the

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subject of UFOs or extraterrestrials in

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public you know to any friends or

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relatives even if they feel they've had

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some sort of major experience you know

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contact or anything traumatic they've

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never told anybody so you know that's

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the extreme then even on the casual and

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people who just like have a casual

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interest in the topic of UFOs because of

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the the stigma surrounding the topic

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they feel that they can't admit that to

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people lest they be made fun of so you

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get this whole mix of people who have

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this interest in the topic for one

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reason or another yet they haven't

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discussed it in public so they come to

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alien con where they have this safe

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space in quotes where they you know are

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surrounded by like-minded people and

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feel they can open up and so in the

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experience or session or in any of the

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panels or podcast recordings we held and

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invited people to openly discuss or

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share personal stories it is just

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fascinating seeing these people open up

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because you can just see like the layers

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melt off and they're all wow this is

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kind of unreal I've never talked about

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this before and I can talk about it here

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and people aren't laughing at me yeah it

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was awesome

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I mean they were like three or four

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people who said you know I've never told

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anyone but my husband or my wife about

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this you know and and yet they were

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walking up to a microphone in front of

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you know fifty hundred people whatever

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it was and in in let it rip and I I was

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just so impressed how brave people were

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and then you could really see how you

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know the emotional impact on them and it

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was obvious when they were you know

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recounting what had happened so and the

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audience was really great too they were

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real you know empathetic and you know

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plotted for these people and so it was

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and that happens because you know I'm

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always worried there's gonna be some

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jerk who just wants to be an and

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make fun of these people or make some

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comment like hurry up other people want

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to talk and some of these people like

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you said Shane you can tell that they

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are there visibly visibly fragile and

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they it's taken all of their courage to

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get up in front of this crowd first of

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all and then to share something that

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they've held in for the in some cases

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their entire lives um you know so it's

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it's taken a lot of bravery for them to

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be up there and they're in a really

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fragile state so I'm always worried that

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somebody's going to do something stupid

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but they haven't so yeah really great to

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see people yeah everybody that audience

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is great yeah they were they behaved

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very well ya know I love the alien con

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crowd they're fantastic and you're right

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it's it's a completely different

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experience from a purely UFO conference

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so it's a lot of fun and one of my

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favorite things Shane something I had

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the most fun doing was judging the

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costume contest that was just a blast I

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mean there was some great cosplay there

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people really got into it but also I

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mean my fellow judges made it just an

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absolute blast and a hoot they were both

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hilarious and that was of course Paul

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Voyager and they were just both amazing

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I don't believe I'd met either of them

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before but getting to judge the costume

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contest with them was a blast

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and certainly a lot of fun but then

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you did too with Paul high-neck Paul

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privilege to be able to meet him and

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spend some time with him yep loved it

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yeah Ellis that was fun stuff and and

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then they have the big dance on Saturday

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night where they were they you know

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coupla bars going they had the music

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lots of people chatting and it was

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really a good time my my wife and I both

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just just enjoyed it immensely that's

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right and that's always the best part of

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any event like this we always say that

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again social aspect right it's the

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social aspect being able to hang out

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with people have discussions and just

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hang out grab a drink and talk and meet

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people and the alien card is a perfect

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place for that it's pretty funny at at

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times it reminds you of being at a

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junior high dance or something but ya

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was a great event the next one's gonna

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be in Dallas and yeah so keep checking

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their website and follow them on social

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media because they seem to be doing this

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twice a year thing where they're doing

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it at different locations so do you

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follow them their website is the alien

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con comm check them out and keep your

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fingers crossed that eland con comes to

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you if you can't make it to alien con

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yep and they even have a phone app they

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do yes so each event they launched a

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phone app and we talked about that

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before Ryan and I love this thing

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because it has the schedule on there and

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you can know favorite different things

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on the schedule like change that it's

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difficult to navigate everything because

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they have multiple stages going at the

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same time so you had you do have to pick

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and choose which ones you're going to

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see in which ones you're gonna miss the

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app helps you do that keep track of your

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schedule it can send you push

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notifications to alert you when things

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are coming up but also it has a built in

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community where people are posting

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messages and interacting with each other

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directly in the app so during the event

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there's this whole mobile community just

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within that app of people who are at

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alien con and it's really cool to see

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was neat well alright let's get into our

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unidentified conversation but first

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here's a brief recap of what episode

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four of unidentified showed us so in the

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first three episodes of this show they

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primarily focused on what is known as

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the Tic Tac incident a navy UFO

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encounter that occurred back in 2004 off

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the coast of San Diego but in Episode

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four the show's investigator Lou

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Elizondo heads east to meet up with two

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active Navy servicemen who say they were

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personally involved in UFO incidents

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that occurred in 2014 and 2015 off the

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East Coast these pilots are lieutenant

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Ryan graves and Lieutenant Danny a coin

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these pilots share their assertions that

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UFOs followed the Navy strike group up

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and down the coast for months and even

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reappeared when the strike group was

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deployed to the Arabian Gulf at one

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point lieutenant a coin even asserts

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that at least 50 others aboard the USS

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Roosevelt that he knew of at least were

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aware of this UFO activity also in the

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episode we see lieutenant graves

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summoned to Washington DC to give a

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secret closed-door briefing about these

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UFO incidents so that's pretty cool and

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we've known this was coming it was cool

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to see it presented on the show what do

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you think of the episode Shane yeah I

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thought it was great because I first of

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all like you said mostly all we've heard

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about is the 2004 Nimitz case which is

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awesome right but we knew these other

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videos were out there and that they

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weren't part of that sighting so we

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really got some real confirmation

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information about this activity on the

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East Coast and so I like what they did

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with the episode date I like that they

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that Lou took Dave flavour with him and

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perform the interview on nine graves and

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then later on Danny

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ah coin as well

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and they get you know got the testimony

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from these pilots and then they got a

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lot of information that correlated stuff

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so you know that that whole thing about

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I think identified you know the the the

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gimbal video is basically a saucer they

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had the cube with a sphere around it and

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then the go-fast was another round

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spherical object so three different

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objects so we got that kind of explained

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I thought that was good and then the

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fact that they're saying that you know

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this was happening on a daily basis for

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months and months yeah that's a

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mind-blower that's not a you know a

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fluke or freak signing or I mean that

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that is that's heavy-duty contact you

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know and in fact I think that way they

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put it is they said we were stocked for

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months by these things so that is that's

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a that's a concerning thing especially

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when you're in the military and you're

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operating a you know practicing for war

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and you have you're being stalked by

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these things I'm sure that made quite an

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impression on them absolutely and you

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know it's great to see more pilots on

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the show talking about their personal

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encounters that's something you know

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that the the show is is you know very

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firmly behind they want to help these

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active and former military service

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people to be able to come out and talk

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about experiences they've had because

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like we're seeing it's it's common yeah

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people are has seeing these strange

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things they can't explain all the time

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and it's not just a handful of people

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here and there it's a lot of people who

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do during their service are seeing these

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things in the sky yeah think about the

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power of that testimony from those kinds

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of people those witnesses that's that is

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strong evidence right and we do want to

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point out you know we have to remember

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that everything these guys are saying on

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the show because their active duty has

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to be okayed by the Navy and the DoD so

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the DoD okayed what we're seeing on the

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show just keep that in mind yeah good

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point and you know something I like

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seeing too but it's also you know a

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little confusing

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I understand why but we see Luz

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continuing a struggle and frustration

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with his efforts

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you know worrying that he you know

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through these efforts he's going to look

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disingenuous in his quest right because

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he keeps getting up the fact that you

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know he can't disclose or he can't break

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his his security oaths

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he may know other things but he can't

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divulge that but he still has to go down

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this this course and try to find

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information even though he might already

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have the information so you know he's

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self identifying that that's a problem

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but it is kind of a confusing problem

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right this is the lead investigator on

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this show leading the viewer through

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this quest but at the same time he's

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kind of saying yeah I've done this and I

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kind of know some answers yeah I thought

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that was fascinating in fact he kind of

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got a little emotional I think along

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with that and you know but you know I

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think the the explanation for that that

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that to me it hit home and I thought was

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very reasonable and solid was was that

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what their effort really is is an effort

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to get Congress to listen to these

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accounts and when when he he was

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speaking there Chris Mellon they're

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explaining that you know this is a

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system and you have to work within the

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framework of that system so you just

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can't go thrown out the alien thing all

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the time you know you yet you know

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there's a specific way and specific

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words that you use when you approach

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Congress and these people so that you

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don't look crazy right that you're not

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violating your security oath but that

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you're bringing forth you know good

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witnesses and good data data and I think

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even one of the pilots said it was

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graves that you know he wants to

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communicate to to Congress that you know

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I'm bringing you the facts of the things

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that I saw I'm bringing you the data I'm

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not giving you an opinion on what it was

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and you you need to make that decision

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you know so I thought that was really

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good explaining why

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they're tippy-toeing all around this

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thing it's because the ultimate goal is

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to get Congress to take some action and

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to do that you just got it you got to

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work within the framework of the system

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so I really thought that was an

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excellent explanation right and we saw

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mellon bring up a point that we've made

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on a previous episode and that is

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Congress is the place you go to when you

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want money right there that there the

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cheque writers so you know to get things

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done you've got to convince Congress and

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this is the whole funny thing to like

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try to wrap your head around in this

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whole unraveling or trying to unravel

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this mystery and that is keep in mind

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according to Lou and other people

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involved the Pentagon is still running

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its UFO program so yeah they already

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have people on the inside who are

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looking into the UFOs and they're

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already aware of it they're already

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doing whatever they're doing so you know

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that's interesting but yeah we're doing

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this end around trying to get Congress

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to do something that maybe is different

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from what the Pentagon's are doing well

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yeah it's it's really to move it from

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secrecy to public right that I mean that

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that's that's that the real effort and

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that's probably what Lou is talking

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about when he's saying you know I know

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things I can't divulge I mean it's the

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secret part or sensitive or whatever

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term you want to use that you just can't

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blurt out yet and even within Congress

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you've got to bring those people along

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carefully so and then you know the other

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thing that was kind of interesting is we

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got to see a little more of that

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Steve justice I'm thinking yep that's a

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serious dude right there just his whole

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mannerism and and the way he was

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speaking you know and he impressed me as

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a guy that you know he knows some stuff

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- oh absolutely he does yeah I loved

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when when I see these - justice come on

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this Korean well oh yay talk to that guy

430
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more yeah he's serious as a heart attack

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but you know

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I like I like to the way that the their

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conversation went the work we're at

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first are kind of talking about the

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possibility of this being you know

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American or Chinese or Russian and you

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know we can't discount that possibility

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and they kind of flirt with that for a

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minute or two but then they they you

440
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know kind of flip it around say but you

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know really the evidence suggests that

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that's not the case in fact I think Lou

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even said look the Russians and in

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Chinese they're in the same boat we are

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we don't know what this is

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so yeah but that that was kind of a cool

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little clue right there right but at the

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same time we're seeing them float that

449
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more and more I am noticing that that

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they're they're bringing up the the

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terrestrial explanation more and more

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and so are the mainstream articles that

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we're seeing pushed out in conjunction

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with us and so that is interesting so

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we'll keep an eye on that and also

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something else too is you know it's

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interesting hearing the stories that

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came especially from from Danny from

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lieutenant coin that you know at least

460
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according to him a lot of people aboard

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ship were aware of these UFOs and he

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even comments about an admiral who

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allegedly came in and watched one of the

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videos and was sort of unimpressed or

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unfazed like credible and then walked

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out yeah so I mean that to me and

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especially if these things are happening

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on a daily basis with you know multiple

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objects and all of your pilots and stuff

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and people all over these vessels know

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about these objects that tells me that

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you know the Navy it's not a not an

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issue of pilots not coming forward to

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divulge these things it seems like

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they're very well aware that they're

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there and they just don't care yeah yeah

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and I think um I mean honestly this is

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kind of just personally my take on that

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whole why they keep pushing that is is

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again to you know not not run up the

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stigma flag but just you know give

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people and out you know congressman and

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Millett

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arian intelligence officials by

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continuing to say you know threat and

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could be you know Chinese or Russian or

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our own that gives people some cover to

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to go ahead and openly consider this a

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possibility you know I'm saying it's

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like it's a safe way it's working within

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that framework and that system however

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it is curious to me as when the point

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comes when that no longer works because

494
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you know that so much data so many

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people come forward that the that

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explanation is not going to work like

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that it'll be interesting to see where

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this whole thing goes it will be and you

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know I like this approach I really do

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but I also have to keep in mind you know

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I have a little little bit of fear that

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this could all backfire

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oh yeah right because I mean if it does

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come out that the Navy says hey just

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kidding that was our technology we were

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testing this you know secret radar

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reflecting technology and that's why it

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was at all of our test sites and

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following the ships and everything like

510
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and we were just testing how it would

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work number one with our technology and

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what kind of reaction our own people

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would have and you know to this stuff if

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that all comes out after all of this

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effort that could do more harm than good

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building up UFOs and trying to get

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people to take it seriously and

518
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demonstrating that there's you know

519
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otherworldly technology at play here

520
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then only to have them say yeah that's

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us then that balloon is deflated and I

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don't yeah get back up after that no and

523
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that's a right out of the 1953 Robertson

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panel playbook yeah absolutely it is

525
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yeah and they've been doing it for 70

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years so yeah I don't want to be a

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pessimist so I mean optimistic

528
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yeah I agree but you know even if that

529
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does happen the so many seeds have been

530
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planted in so many new people a whole

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new generation you know i it won't ever

532
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go away and that if it's if they are

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UFOs that there's if there's someone

534
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else they have a say-so to you

535
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absolutely and that's why you know I

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really hope people do understand and pay

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more attention and and do more research

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and understand that it's not just the

539
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military right it's not just maybe

540
00:22:49,989 --> 00:22:46,969
fighter pilots seeing this it's people

541
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all over the world every day seeing

542
00:22:54,609 --> 00:22:51,859
strange things in the sky that can't

543
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explain this is a global thing that

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happens to absolutely everybody so even

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if the military comes up with an

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explanation for what they've been

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pushing in three videos that were

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released by the Pentagon that doesn't

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mean that all UFOs are after s real

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origin ya can't just wipe that away

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right it'd be probably the equivalent a

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modern-day equivalent of the whole swamp

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gas thing yeah that's right I think

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you're absolutely right

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it's not gonna happen Shane we're gonna

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keep our fingers crossed that's right

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pushing it through you got it well

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citizens as we wrap up this episode I

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invite you to come join us in the rogue

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planet Facebook group at facebook.com

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slash group slash rogue planet we'd love

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to hear your thoughts on the fourth

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episode of unidentified or anything else

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ufo-related that's on your mind just a

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heads up we won't be publishing a new

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episode next week because I'll be at the

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annual Roswell UFO Festival in Roswell

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New Mexico so that means we'll just have

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to cover two episodes have unidentified

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the following week and of course I'll

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share with you my experience from

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Roswell Shane I'm gonna miss you in

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Roswell this year buddy I know I hate

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that I gotta miss it but you know

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sometimes life happens can't do it all

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right yeah I thank you that you can find

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fellow rogue planets here Caleb Hanks

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first the show's intro and outro music

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check out all his work at the clerk

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Chronicles calm thanks again for hanging

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out with us today I'm Jason McClellan

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and I'm Shane heard he was the favorite

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friends always tweet the UFO subject

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with the cautious and responsible

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skepticism it deserves question

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everything had the courage to form your

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own opinions keep truth as the focus of

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your quest even if the truth conflicts

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with your opinions and of course stay

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strange

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